msmithnv wrote:
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6/10/2008 7:34:38 PM
It's hard to comprehend what this writer wants to say because this message kinda rambles but I can see that this message is generally consistent with the neo-liberal free-market economy theory, which has demonstrated too many fallacies in the real world.
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Those who say we should ban Hyundai, you don't compare beef from cows 30+ months old to an auto brand that manufactures in Alabama cars that put its brand at 3rd in the JD Power ranking.
andio76 wrote:
All I said was this piece of Halibut was good enough for Jehovah!!
lichtme wrote:
S. Koreans:
good for you!
My family stopped eating US beef 3 years ago
b/c the USDA has a policy of not testing for mad cow.
Block importation of filthy US beef!
commonsense7 wrote:
Sheesh - Korea does NOT want to ban US beef, just US beef that is from cattle that is 30 months old or older.
Pretty much all the other countries that import US beef have that same requirement (Japan's is even STRICTER at 20 months).
Even in the US, beef from cattle 30 months or older is BANNED for human consumption, unless individually inspected.
msmithnv wrote:
Just like the oppressed under classes in Arab nations the underclass in Korea feels squeezed by high prices and lack of opportunity. Countries with wide income disparities among it's citizens often look to distract their people by blaming someone other than themselves for what they themselves have created.
Thus Hugo Chavez blames the West for his crumbling socialist economy.
The real problem is over regulation, price controls,and protectionist trade policies that have crushed their economies with wild inflation and economic swings.
We had the same swing here when Jimmy Carter was President and tried to put a freeze on gasoline prices.
We now know the Great Depression lasted much longer than it needed to because of the overreaction of the pols in DC. It was also accelerated by the isolationist, anti free trade Smoot Hawley Tariff act signed into law June 17, 1930.
Now we see Democrat politicians calling for similar trade barriers with the same result around the corner. That is shortages, high inflation, high interest rates and a prolonged economic downturn just when it appears we are working our way out of this downturn.
Shrinking the world's trade is exactly the wrong policy. We need the exact opposite that is we need a surge of vigorous trade.
Brazil has an abundant cheap source of ethanol for us,sugar ethanol, but the Democrat farm Senators are trying to protect their ill advised corn as fuel experiment in Iowa and the farm states and so they have put a 50 cent per gallon tariff on Brazilian cheap ethanol.
We got rid of Tom Delay now it is time to dump the other group of ultrapartisans like Nevada's Harry Reid and bring in a whole new group of creative thinking nonpartisan members of Congress.
John991 wrote:
Was it Ronald Reagan that first decided that it would be great if the beef producers could simply inspect themselves? It wouldn't surprise me if that was still the deal, given the Republican penchant for profit at any cost.
Perhaps the Koreans have a point.
carbon916 wrote:
These protests have little to do with the beef imports from the U.S. and more to do with the dissatisfaction of the Korean president. Arguing about whether Korea should import U.S.'s beef is a moot point.
bobmoses wrote:
LOL. Look at all the Bush haters and America haters come out to attack the usual targets of their mindless hatred.
We get it. You guys hate Bush and whole bunch of you hate America. Good for you.
lwps wrote:
Such a shame -- that unsafe meat is now commonly sold here. I can see why there are so many vegetarians.
The rest of the world dumps their unsafe plastics, cabinets...and a whole long list of products, in the United States now. I suppose it is fair play, for the years that we dumped dangeous products on them.
It is also a way of telling who Bush and the government really work for.
kj4bovina wrote:
The mad cow rebellion aside,
imagine what would've happened in Korea if its leaders invaded another country with false pretext of exporting democracy, etc.,
imagine further this contrived war killed thousands of their own young and uncounted hundreds of thousands of the innocent "enemy" country, and
imagine still further that the political cronies of the president and the vice- are profiteering in the billions of dollars from unbid military contracts -- read Halliburtons, Blackwaters, Bechtels!
What we should do, let's ask the South Koreans to invade US and give us their brand of democracy so that the war criminals and common criminals in the White House and around can be brought to justice.
Then, only then, we might make America truly a NATION OF LAW, NOT OF MAN.
clamb1 wrote:
Ummmm, how many people in the US have come down with Mad Cow dissease???
Perhaps we should ban the import of Kia, Hundai and Sanyo products...
shipfreakbo214 wrote:
It's a shame our demonstrations didn't force Bush and Cheney to resign,to good to be true. What a dream that would be.
nallcando wrote:
I don't blame them a bit, George has loosen regulations on every government controlled department. If our own government can not find out where the tainted tomato's started from. Then How on God's green earth can they protect us from Mad cow disease..South Koreans are only protecting themselves.. Unlike Americans who do nothing but lie down and take it... The South Koreans have testículos, real testículos, not like your little Monkey President Bush's cherry tomatoes!
jeffwashingdc wrote:
usalg,
oh stop your whining. China doesn't whine about it every time you ban their toys for lead. So how about you do the same with Korea and deal with it before you churn out any more sick beef.
Or nevermind. Go ahead and boycott their electronics. Seems like you boycott China for their crap exports, so why not boycott Korea for not admitting your crap imports? What a knee-jerk tool.
PattiORiley wrote:
It's not just about beef -- and it never was.
Although this phenomenon goes on all around the world – Koreans have always avoided American made products while taking for granted that we will buy their products. As a people, they are very protective of their home market and buy only Korean made goods.
Terrorfied wrote:
How is it NOT front page-worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?
How is it NOT newsworthy that phase II of the Senate Intelligence Report regarding the runup to the Iraqi occupation was released yesterday, finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??
This is why we have turned from traditional media to blogs. This is why your revenue is down MSM. This is how we ended up in the clusterf*** we are presently in. F*** you WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, et. al. You will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
pgr88 wrote:
It is partially anti-Govt agitation (much like the USA, there is a hard core leftist faction that will protest anything to simply get onto the street), partially Korean hyper-nationalism again showing its face, while some are reacting to ridiculous internet rumors that Koreans' intestines can not digest beef from the USA.
mehrdad_zahedi wrote:
Dear Koreans please buy and eat american beef with low-prices and thank americans; I think you would be very happy if you bought beef with unbelievable high prices as like as sanctioned people of Iran):
j2hess wrote:
Let's separate the issues: beef imports and government responsiveness.
Even if you think the public objection to beef imports is unjustified, do you really want to object to the idea that the people's will should be respected? That the government should inform and consult with them, not make unilateral changes at the behest of foreign negotiators?
As for food, food is a unique expression of culture, the most intimate act of consumption - you are what you eat. Our food decisions are not entirely rational, and no one entirely rational would expect them to be. Do you anticipate a mother saying, this beef is ok because it only increases the risk of my child's brain rotting from one in a million to one in 50,000?
And let me make a small bet - the US didn't want the beef origin labelled. That's been the consistent US position on exports of GM foods to the EU - they shouldn't have to label it as GM. In other words, this isn't promoting free markets, but clandestine markets, where you don't get to know what you are buying until it is too late.
Maddogg wrote:
These are type of demonstrations we need here in the United States to restore our Democracy.
Tupac_Goldstein wrote:
U.S. out of Korea! Let these people find their own way, even if it is to embrace the nutjob to the North. They can get their food from the wonder nation of China.
commonsense7 wrote:
The beef in question does NOT meet the requirements for human consumption in Taiwan, the Philippines, Mexico, HK and Japan (Japan actually has the toughest requirements).
Even here in the US, the FDA requires beef from cattle 30 months or more in age to be individually inspected or be free of spinal cord and brain material.
US beef, btw, was allowed back into Korea in 2006 until shipments of beef were found to include bone fragments - in violation of the agreement.
People should really get their FACTS straight before they comment.
lohengrin wrote:
These Koreans are being ridiculous. As far as I know, US beef hasn't killed anybody. Maybe we should band a few things from Korea too, like Hyundai cars. It is just too easy to trump up charges. I am sure it is easy to prove that their cars are unsafe. After all, how many Americans have died in Hyundai's cars?
_kt_ wrote:
From the CDC,
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/epidemiology.htm
vCJD (Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease)
Epidemiology of vCJD and BSE
Notice to readers: The information below was published in Health Information for International Travel: 2005-2006. The case information and other statistics may have changed since the date of publication.
Description
Since 1996, strong evidence has accumulated for a causal relationship between ongoing outbreaks in Europe of a disease in cattle called bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, or "mad cow disease") and a disease in humans called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). Both disorders, which are caused by an unconventional transmissible agent, are invariably fatal brain diseases with unusually long incubation periods, which are measured in years. Transmission of the BSE agent to humans, leading to vCJD, is believed to occur via ingestion of cattle products contaminated with the BSE agent; however, the specific foods associated with this transmission are unknown. Bioassays have identified the BSE agent in the brain, spinal cord, retina, dorsal root ganglia, distal ileum, and bone marrow of cattle experimentally infected by the oral route, suggesting that these tissues represent the highest risk of transmission.
Occurrence
From 1995 through August 2004, 147 human cases of vCJD were reported in the United Kingdom (UK), 7 in France, and 1 each in Canada, Ireland, Italy, and the United States. The patients from Canada, Ireland, and the United States had lived in the UK during a key exposure period of the UK population to the BSE agent. By year of onset, the incidence of vCJD in the UK appears to have peaked in 1999 and to have been declining thereafter. However, the future pattern of this epidemic, including whether a second wave of cases might occur among a large, genetically less susceptible subgroup of the population, remains uncertain.
fluxgirl wrote:
Wow, a government that actually responds to the people! What a concept! That would never work here! Those crazy Koreans...they just haven't discovered the infallibility of the corporation yet.
mycomment wrote:
there ya go, beef industry. see, not all national representatives are as greedy and dismissive of public health concerns as the u.s. congress -- that you've bought and paid for.
the korean people are to be commended for their public rebuke to their political leaders and the u.s. beef industry who just assumes they can impose their contaminated products on anyone.
it's extremely gratifying to see the public pushback.
msmithnv wrote:
The world has gone mad due to Media Hype Disorder (MHD).
Everyone in America was afraid of the world's population being wiped out by the Bird flu a couple of years ago, then now not a word on that in the media.
Then everyone was afraid of being swamped by the Earth warming rapidly only to find that the rise and fall in the Earth's temperature follows exactly the cycles of storm activity on the sun not anything man made.
In fact the sun has been quiet for two years straight and the temperature rise of the last decade on earth has been reversed completely in the last two years.
Now the South Koreans are concerned about getting mad cow disease whipped up by their local anti US media what else is new?